Someone Who Lies is a Disbeliever, NOT a Muslim, in Hell Forever (Confirmed Beliefs of the Khawaarij Sect)

In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Ever Merciful…

Previously, we have documented some very dangerous teachings from controversial American preacher Yusuf Estes which resemble the beliefs of the Khawaarij Sect, those who cast Muslims outside of Islam because of sins they commit. On a Huda TV program, he stated that liars “can go to Hell forever,” and that a liar “will never go to Paradise.” [click here]

For some of his more dedicated supporters, this was not decisive enough. Despite the clarity of the second phrase, that liars will never go to Paradise, they chose to cling to the word “CAN”, claiming that Yusuf Estes only said liars can go to Hell, like the position of Ahlus-Sunnah – that lying may lead a person into the Hellfire. In reality, there is no need to twist Yusuf’s words to make them sound like the beliefs of Ahlus-Sunnah, as he himself has openly denounced Ahlus-Sunnah, saying that they do not follow the Quran, and he has stated unequivocally that he is NOT a Sunni. [review this]

Ahlus-Sunnah fear that a liar may go to Hell, however, they do not say that lying takes a person outside of Islam. Yusuf Estes does not hold the belief of Ahlus-Sunnah, rather he says liars will never go to Paradise. This is the belief of the Khawaarij Sect, not Ahlus-Sunnah. To make the matter as clear as possible, let us allow Yusuf Estes himself to clarify what he believes on this important topic, with a much more decisively-worded statement:

In Islam its forbidden to lie. We have no room to lie. You do it, you are out of Islam, just like that. If a person dies as a liar, he dies as what they call a kaafir, or a disbeliever, he goes to Hell forever, and there’s no, no chance. Because the Prophet, peace be upon him, said, ‘Laysa minaa, he’s not from us, who lies.’ This means that if somebody is really a Muslim, all you have to do is just ask him, ‘Did you do so-and-so?’ They have to tell you the truth. If he didn’t tell the truth, then he’s a liar, and if he tells a lie, he’s not a Muslim. Its as simple as that.

Source: A recorded lecture entitled, “Comparative Religion – How History Repeats Itself”, uploaded to YouTube on December 7, 2013. The quoted excerpt is found at just after 11 minutes into the second of five parts. [YouTube] [MP4 audio]

We hope that the clarity of his words above speak for themselves, and those who have been overly critical of our truthful and accurate criticism of his views that contradict Islam would embrace the fairness that Allah orders us to have as Muslims.

Yusuf Estes Declares Yusuf Estes A Disbeliever, Outside of Islam?

While we would never apply Yusuf Estes’ oppressive and reckless Kharijite understanding of what takes a person outside of Islam, it is quite ironic that his own stance on liars would lead to Yusuf Estes declaring himself outside of Islam, a kaafir (disbeliever), who will go to Hell forever, never coming out of it, unless he repents in this life.

In light of some of his more blatant lies:

With these clear lies in mind, we would like to know: Does Yusuf Estes consider Yusuf Estes a disbeliever? Or is he personally exempt from the merciless beliefs of the Khawaarij Sect he promotes?

We have no room to lie. You do it, you are out of Islam, just like that. If a person dies as a liar, he dies as what they call a kaafir, or a disbeliever, he goes to Hell forever, and there’s no, no chance If he tells a lie, he’s not a Muslim. Its as simple as that.

It’s really not as simple as that, Yusuf, not at all.

The Hadeeth: “Whoever deceives us is not from us”

The hadeeth misquoted by Yusuf Estes to refer to lying is actually about deceiving, not lying. The wording is as follows:

من غشنا فليس منا

“Whoever deceives us is not from us.” (Agreed upon)

Deception may be done without technically lying, while all lies are deception. Both are major sins in Islam. An example of deception using technically truthful words would be Yusuf Estes saying that 1,250 Germans stood up to say their shahadah after one of his lectures. This is deception since it leads people to believe that 1,250 Germans accepted Islam, while that was not the case. They were Muslims who were asked to stand up and repeat their shahadah. When Yusuf Estes went on to actually say that 1,250 Germans accepted Islam, that became all-out lying. These examples of deception and lying have been documented in our recent article about the Dusseldorf 1250 Con [found here].

Aside from misquoting the hadeeth, Yusuf Estes has also misconstrued its meaning. A Muslim who deceives not being “from us” means that he is not upon our way of upright behavior, which includes honesty as a basic mannerism. This is known because the Messenger of Allah (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) was correcting the deceitful practice of a merchant with these words, forbidding an impermissible act of deception found commonly in the marketplace, not declaring someone a disbeliever.

Instead of allowing ignorant preachers to make up whatever explanation for the speech of the Messenger they desire, let us look to the scholars of Islam to understand the important words of the Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace).

A great scholar of the past, Imam al-Baghawee (d.516) said in his monumental work, Sharh as-Sunnah (8/167):

لم يرد به نفيه عن دين الإسلام إنما أراد إنه ترك  إتباعي، إذ ليس هذا من أخلاقنا و أفعالنا، أو ليس هو على سنتي و طريقتي في  مناصحة الإخوان، هذا كما يقول الرجل أنا منك، يريد به الموافقة و المتابعة  قال الله سبحانه و تعالى إخبارا عن إبراهيم عليه السلام “فمن تبعني فإنه  مني

He did not intend to expel the man from Islam. He only intended: He has not (truly) followed me, since this (behavior) is not in line with our manners and behavior. Or (he meant): He is not upon my Sunnah and my way as it relates to advising the brothers (about the defects of his products). This is like when a man says, “I am from you (i.e. with you),” intending to show agreement and following. Allah, the Exalted and Most High, has told us that Ibrahim (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever follows me is from me.” [Quran 14:36]

One of the greatest and most widely respected scholars of this era, Shaykh ‘Abdul-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allah have Mercy on him) clarified:

وهذا من باب الوعيد (من غشنا فليس منا) هذا من باب الوعيد, وليس معناه أن من غش يكون كافراً هذا خلاف رأي الخوارج المبتدعة (من غشنا فليس منا) هذا معناه الوعيد والتحذير يقول النبي – صلى الله عليه وسلم -: (من غشنا فليس منا) تحذيراً من الغش وتنبيهاً للأمة أنه لا يجوز حتى لا تقع فيه لكن متى وقع من الإنسان صار معصية يأثم بذلك وليس معناه أنه يكفر ويخرج من الإسلام.

This is a kind of threat, ‘Whoever deceives us is not from us,’ it is a warning of punishment. It does not mean that anyone who deceives us is actually a kaafir (disbeliever), in opposition to the belief of the deviant Khawaarij [Sect]. ‘Whoever deceives us is not from us’ means there was a threat and warning mentioned by the Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace). ‘Whoever deceives us is not from us’ is a warning against deception and a cautionary alert that it is not permissible to do this. However, if a person does this, it is regarded as an act of sinful disobedience. It does not mean that he has disbelieved and left Islam.

Source: Part of one of Shaykh Ibn Baaz’s answers given during a session of the “Noor ‘alad-Darb” radio program, recorded and transcribed on his official website [here].

And Allaah knows best.

Written by: Moosaa Richardson

Owais Al-Hashimi contributed to the content of this article. (May Allah reward him.)



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